{"id":18728,"date":"2019-07-17T01:00:39","date_gmt":"2019-07-17T11:00:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/?p=18728"},"modified":"2019-07-19T10:52:58","modified_gmt":"2019-07-19T20:52:58","slug":"is-tmt-a-military-installation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/?p=18728","title":{"rendered":"Is TMT a military installation?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>This lie is the favorite of the conspiracy theory crowd. It plays upon the fundamental distrust and enmity towards the US military that many segments of our island community hold. How can you have a giant structure on the mountain without the military being in charge? With lasers!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=13922\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/tmt-with-the-laser-guide-star-at-night-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"The Thirty Meter Telescope\" class=\"wp-image-13922\" srcset=\"https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/tmt-with-the-laser-guide-star-at-night-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/tmt-with-the-laser-guide-star-at-night-600x600.jpg 600w, https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/tmt-with-the-laser-guide-star-at-night-1200x1200.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/tmt-with-the-laser-guide-star-at-night.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 85vw, 150px\" \/><\/a><figcaption>An artist concept of TMT at night, with the laser guide star system illuminated.<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p> Why does TMT think <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/MaunaKea?src=hash\">#<strong>MaunaKea<\/strong><\/a> is worth all this trouble vs. the Canary Islands? <\/p><p>Is it the subtle cloud cover difference, or the FACT that Hawaii is heavily militarized with all 4 branches nearby?<\/p><p>Spoiler: major weapon contractors reside in current telescopes. <\/p><cite> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/KanielaIng\"><strong>Kaniela Ing\u200f&nbsp;<\/strong>@<strong>KanielaIng<\/strong><\/a> on Twitter, 16July2019 <\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>There is even a military base positioned to protect it! Never mind that base is a training base that has no troops more than half the time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As someone on the inside I know this to be false. How to prove that? A bit more difficult as none of my answers are going to be heard by the true believers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There are some practical considerations that should make this clear. The largest telescopes are not capable of tracking something as fast as a low earth orbit satellite, where the spy satellites operate. These big telescopes simply can not move fast enough to follow these objects across the sky. I work on the drive systems, I know.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p>Aside from military satellites there is simply nothing else in the sky of any interest to the military. Why should they be interested in a large telescope? Answer&#8230; They are not.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The instruments and cameras on the telescope are designed for very specific purposes, and <a rel=\"noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.tmt.org\/documents\" target=\"_blank\">those designs are quite public.<\/a> If there were nefarious military purposes behind the observatory the design specifications would not be quite so open.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There is a seed of truth here&#8230;  The observatories do occasionally buy military technology from the usual defense contractors.  Things like infrared detectors can be used for both tracking enemy vehicles or observing distant galaxies, what is called dual use technology.  Such tech is not classified, but still is monitored by the US government to insure that it is not misused.  This is really a case of turning military tech to peaceful purposes, swords into plowshares if you will.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There are several telescopes in the islands with military involvement. US Air Force Space command runs several small telescopes on Haleakala and a <a rel=\"noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ukirt.hawaii.edu\/news\/UKIRT_transfer.html\" target=\"_blank\">defense contractor has a part share in UKIRT<\/a> on Mauna Kea.  telescopes that are much smaller and more nimble, with drive systems purpose built to track satellites.  These telescopes are used for a fairly mundane purpose, to track satellites and space debris, and to establish accurate orbits for all the stuff up there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Aside from the expected military functions, like keeping track of the other side&#8217;s spy satellites, this has very practical civilian benefits. Knowing the orbits of everything in orbit, and <a rel=\"noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/apps.agi.com\/SatelliteViewer\/\" target=\"_blank\">there is a surprising amount<\/a>, is necessary when launching the satellites we all depend on for weather, communications, and satellite television. Who does this? The US Air Force Space Command. They even publish this data for everyone to use.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The lasers?  At one point we heard them described as &#8220;laser cannon&#8221; during the contested case hearing.  Yes, they look impressive, but are really not that  dangerous.  The maximum power from the AO lasers is about 20-30 watts.  To be a weapon you really need to be talking about kilowatts or more, several orders of magnitude more.  I have stood in the full power beam from one of our lasers, with appropriate eye protection, it barely felt warm, sunlight is more powerful.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Another version of this claim that pops up on occasion is that the telescope could be used to spy on folks?  Yes, that bad.  The telescopes cannot aim below the horizontal and performance would be truly terrible if they could due to atmospheric distortion.  If you suspect someone is spying on you I would suggest you look for a nondescript van at the end of your street rather than a telescope on top of the mountain.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Of course you really do not need to trust me on this one.  The major telescopes atop Mauna Kea are pretty open about who is using them.  You can go to the websites and see the <a href=\"https:\/\/www2.keck.hawaii.edu\/observing\/keckSchedule\/keckSchedule.php\">telescope schedules<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gemini.edu\/sciops\/queue-and-schedules\">yourself<\/a>, or even wander through all of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.gemini.edu\/sciops\/data-and-results\/gemini-observatory-archive\">data taken<\/a> with the telescopes, the <a href=\"https:\/\/www2.keck.hawaii.edu\/koa\/public\/koa.php\">archives are public<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Result: Mostly False<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This lie is the favorite of the conspiracy theory crowd. It plays upon the fundamental distrust and enmity towards the US military that many segments of our island community hold. How can you have a giant structure on the mountain without the military being in charge? With lasers! Why does TMT think #MaunaKea is worth &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/?p=18728\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Is TMT a military installation?&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":6642,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[21,32],"tags":[88,2660,745],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/12\/TMTComplex.jpg","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18728"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=18728"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18728\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":26506,"href":"https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18728\/revisions\/26506"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/6642"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=18728"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=18728"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/darkerview.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=18728"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}