What is a flerf?
Flerf is simply short for a flat earth fanatic, a little easier to type than the whole thing. Some may consider this derogatory, I do not particularly see it as so. Well? Maybe a little. But considering what I have been called by flerfs, I have no regrets.
Our local flerf goes by the screen name of Adam Asing. That might even be his real name as there is a local musician of the same name. We have occasionally identified other screen names he uses, probably because he has been blocked under his primary alias in so many media outlets.
I would probably not normally notice Mr. Asing, except he routinely attacks the telescopes in just about any media he still has access to. As such he intentionally makes himself a target. As such I sometimes respond… It can be so much fun!
There is always the possibility the Mr. Asing is playing the troll, and does not actually believe what he espouses. The more I read his responses the more I suspect he really believes the Earth is flat. Despite so many easy ways to show the Earth is a globe, he stubbornly insists otherwise and refuses to examine the evidence we give him.
Mr. Asing is a rather extreme form of flat earther, his primary claim is that all of space is fake. This rather makes sense as so many of the easily visible proofs of a globe involve space it makes it simple to ignore these. Instead he bases his model of the world on traditional Hawaiian lore…
Now listen very carefully…Adam Asing in a Facebook comment on a post by PUEO
The earth is flat and stationary and covered with a glass-like dome our ancient kūpuna called “Lani pa’a.”
There is no such thing as outer space, solar systems, imaginary planets, galaxies, asteroids, black holes, singularities, gravity, dark matter, etc.
It’s all bs.
His main claim is that the Earth is flat and the heavens we see are a simple crystal dome overhead. This model leaves a lot of questions… What does it sit on? How do the stars, Sun and Moon rise and set? Why does it need to be “glass-like”? You can have all the fun you want with that one.
Mr. Asing claims that all of the images out of the telescopes are “CGI cartoons and photoshopped images “. This again makes sense as it agrees with his opposition to telescopes on Mauna Kea. No better way than to claim everything we do is fake and that the telescopes have no real purpose.
His modus operandi is typical of any conspiracy theorist, when pressed on a detail he can not support he changes the subject, it is all some great conspiracy to keep the public in the dark about something. He claims to use evidence, but rejects anything that is presented that does not agree with his personal common sense.
There is a lesson for all of us here… From our earliest age, or as soon as we can put something in our mouth and bite on it, we begin to form an internal concept of how the world works, what most people call common sense. Things fall when we drop them, water is wet and runs downhill, time moves forward never backwards, etc. This framework is essential to how we interpret the world and avoid killing ourselves.
There is a problem with this. These learned rules for how the world works only properly apply to our scale and our specific situation. Break away from our everyday situation and things begin to change. You do not have to go far to see this. Anyone who has worked with a microscope understands that tiny objects do not always fall or move like you expect. Surface tension and electrostatic forces become more important at small scales, gravity does not automatically rule. Under the microscope you see that water can flow uphill.
As science explores the really big stuff like the universe, and the really small stuff in the realm of atoms and neutrinos, we find that things do not behave as our common sense would dictate. Things can be in multiple places at once, or instantly move from one place to another. There are things that can have enormous mass and occupy no space at all, or space itself can expand without the things in it noticing. Things simply get weird.
It is natural for us to rebel against these concepts, stuff should simply not behave this way, at least according to the rules that govern our everyday lives. We search for any other answer that can behave the way we can expect.
Flat earthers are an extreme form of this. To accept the idea that the globe is round you must also accept that the horizon is lower than you are but the water in the ocean does not flow away, that you are moving at thousands of miles per hour while sitting still, that people on the other side of the world are upside-down, and many other absurdities.
We corner the market on using your God given senses actually. Globeheads do not. Fact.Adam Asing in a Facebook comment on a post by PUEO
For example, I can sense that I’m not spinning 1038mph + 66,600mph + 500,000mph.
My senses tell me the earth is stationary.
Like all flerfs Mr. Asing lacks knowledge of fundamental science, no true understanding of the word “acceleration”. I wonder if he has ever taken a ride on a jet airliner. Next time you do you may have a moment sitting on the toilet in back, something to think about while you sit… In that little room there are no windows, nothing to tell you that you are moving well over 5o0mph, you do not feel it, yet you are.
If we are to understand what the science teaches us eventually we must accept the results of our experiments, even if the results are absurd. Beyond our everyday experience the rules of life we understand do not necessarily apply… An electron can instantly move from one place to another.
I will readily admit to not really understanding the realities of quantum mechanics, I have trouble visualizing the overall structure of the universe and the big bang. In that way I too am a bit of a flerf, even if I do know our Earth is an oblate spheroid. To some extent or another we are all limited by common sense in our view of the universe.
To truly understand our universe we must accept the results of our experiments and observations. Feel free to double or quintuple check when you get an absurd result. In the end a true scientist must step beyond common sense and be ready for the weird.
10 thoughts on “Arguing with a Flerf”
Adam says: “For example, I can sense that I’m not spinning 1038mph + 66,600mph + 500,000mph.
My senses tell me the earth is stationary.”
I wonder if Adam has ever flown on a plane? His senses would tell him he’s not moving at 500 mph, but then why does he end up somewhere else when the plane lands?
Interesting philosophy. Wonder if any flat earters would be swayed?
I do not expect so. With the evidence so obvious they are blinded by their own investment in the conspiracy. The who thing has been very revealing into the motivations of such a group. Is group the right word? The description cult might be more accurate.
I think its good to constantly question. What’s your best proof we live on a spinning oblate spheroid?
Question? Sure. Question things that are quite obvious? Dumb.
Daily proof… Driving down Waikoloa Road watching the island of Kahoolawe or the lower sections of Maui disappear as I approach sea level.
Daily proof… Watching sunset, something that simply does not happen in any flat Earth model.
Nightly proof… Observing the patterns of the sky, planets and the Moon, with the seasons, plotting orbits of asteroids and comets from the orbital parameters.
Best proof… Spherical trigonometry, the basic equations behind navigation and locating objects in the night sky. Equations that simply do not work in a planar system. I have done the math to find my location on Earth, not from tables, from the raw math and my own observations. I have done the math to plot objects in space (which requires knowing where and when you are on a spinning globe), successfully, pointing a telescope to the results of my calculation. Pull out a textbook on spherical trig, I would suggest Spherical Astronomy by Smart.
Questioning a spherical planet is being blind to the world around you.
Hum? So, what if the earth is really flat? What does this change? What does it change? What it the impact? Why would they need to lie? What would be the big hidden secret?
Is there really a fear of flatness that exist? If so, why? What’s outside if the flat Earth’s doom? Who or how or why was the flat earth created? Did a God create the flat earth? Are all the other planets flat as well? Are we really flat and we just think we’re 3 dimensional?
My favorite part actually was when he started to move the goal posts right after his whole “proof” that the peak of Maunakea shouldn’t be seen from other islands completely evaporated.
Mine is his inability the explain how we even have sunset if the Earth is flat.
Andrew — I got into an online argument with a geocentrist once. Yep, a geocentrist. Here’s a link (I hope). It’s from an online mag I used to write for. You’ll have to scroll down through the book excerpt (it’s a good book) to get to the comments.
But but but, with my own eyes i can see the sun going around the earth! The moon is just the sun at night time and the stars are just the sunlight reflecting off the glass dome over the earth!